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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 00:33 #48520

Dear forum users, admins and owners,

Recently I was kicked for bad behavior on KW1 (shoot0001.tga). Please sir Bong, show me what of my words was assumed as "bad behavior".

This was started when player Veive kicked for spawnkilling (map subway). I was started a conversation, and soon get kicked for "bad behavior" (start of map mml_minastirith_fp3).

Dear sir, I strongly suggest you to learn and understand English a little bit more, before you continue to kicking without any reasons. It's not human, nor polite to "change rules whatever you like", and not announce that previously to the other people. That is a bad behavior, believe me.
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 00:43 #48522


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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 02:42 #48523

You still didn't show me where's that "bad behavior" of mine. Can someone else explain your attitude if you can't?
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 08:49 #48524

dear balcanpussy,

a moderator has the right to overrule the (missing) sk zones when a player
obstructs gameplay by massive sk with a flamer or arty or whatever weapon
of mass destruction he chooses. he usually should be warned first and if
he chooses to ignore the stuffmember's orders, he might get kicked. that
is what happened to veive.

i know that sometimes (haha) players tend to question admin decisions on
the gameserver- sometimes having a point, sometimes pointless. some of
those admins might feel that this kind of behaviour questions their
authority and get annoyed by that so i guess that s what happened. i ve
not seen any bad word or any trolling from you in the chatlog (except the
line that you would repect admin decisions if they made sense), so this
reaction was indeed a bit harsh. i personally would have given you a short
answer instead and also told you to go to the forum for discussing the
decision. but maybe the two of you already got history, i don t know that.

but please also remember: you weren t even concerned by that sk-kick. i
would understand if veive would have started that discussion after he came
back, but in your case, what was your motivation? pushing buttons? ;)
stuff members only have to answer to the level 17s: luke, marinhio and i.

what happened: you got kicked for 5 or 10 minutes, time to grab a beer or
take a shit. not a big deal if you ask me.

next time, please use the forum in the first place to discuss admin
decisions.

and now lets see what bong has to say ...
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 11:42 #48525

Thank you for reply.

My story (if anyone is interested in bunch of words): Once upon a time, I was doing the same "business". I meet a lot of good and few bad people on-line. Server was well visited daily. Not as KW, but it was mostly under first 100 ET servers. We had about 12-15 players per team every day. That server now running only a 3-5 bots on each side, and that's a real waste of time and resources. Because of such admins (to be honest - owner) like this, I was left administration and clan. Most of people before and after me also left this - I may say - second home of ours. That man was about 55 years old back then, and every time he enters, our monthly hard work about managing, inviting people to play, etc. vanishes very quickly. He kicks people without warning, without good reasons, without any sense. He is still owner of this empty server, although all hard work for keeping server up and running is thanks to his son who even don't like to play ET (he plays some MMORPG games).

To clarify something: This is only a game, but big difference is that beside every teammate or enemy is a human being. More or less mentally mature, but generally - a human being. Not a piece of equipment, hardware, software, firmware, game code. Players must respect admins, and vice versa. You never know if we can meet and chat face to face sometimes, some day, somewhere. Maybe roles will be rotated, then.

I was marked once as spawnkiller too. Without good reason (common sense). Situation was: I was running like a "headless chicken" on the map, trying to catch what should I do. Suddenly, few enemies respawns and start to shoot at me. I was instinctively fight back and kill one. He was complained and I got marking and get kicked. Few days later, after some chat, that marking was removed...

Speaking about spawnkilling and red zones, IMHO, shootimg should be denied to both sides in such areas. Like an areas with white flag in real war. And if someone shoots, you can use script on server side which returns that damage to himself. It's easy to do...

At the end, I can say - thank you for your reply, because this one makes much more sense than one from grumpy administrator who solves his life issues in a game... And forced me to open an KW account although I am avoiding to inflict myself in forums and social networks. I rather like good old fashion way...

And no, I don't like real wars at all - in case someone maybe misunderstand me again. I just love this game, because first such FPS game I played (Wolf 3D and later Doom) knocked me down.
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 12:11 #48527

thanks for sharing, dude. i listened very carefully. you made some pretty decent
points in there.
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 12:25 #48528

Some valid points in there indeed!

Hope you decide to stick around on the forum, in spite of better judgement. It can be quite fun and offers a chance to get to know a bit more about the people that play on the server too... (Without them being all frustrated about getting fragged too much or w/e.)
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 18:29 #48529

Oh, yes i was near truck (our objective to escort) and i tried to stop incoming axis hordes, blocking the gate with nades and other weapons that i could use (as at least 1/2 team did) and cover our engs, untill they repair the truck and finish obj.

No ******* red zone there ....

I didnt throw nades/shoot into to spawn, just the damn gate area which is real close to objective.

What i really hate here is the "moderator has the right to overrule" - it just makes the rules much unclear and pisses of lot of ppl here.
And its a bit frustrating that the rules in -no red zones maps- are changing with every mod/admin , day and their mood ......

Should be strictly written - SK yes or not. If yes, then write the limits like here :

!!!

or

fp

Then we dont need discuss about some SK and your actual mood...

So please, change the rules ASAP thank you.
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 21 Jan 2014 18:46 #48530

hose is right
we (DamirU) talked on ts and i told him my view off what happened.

in futur i will spend more time to speak to player iff they want to discuss some situations.

i think we solve this on Server, i c BalcanP just now :)

mfg bong
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 22 Jan 2014 11:53 #48532

Amen for the both of you guys with your solid arguments against redzones. Every admin has a personal oppinion with it and acts in a different way. Some do nothing, others kick and some enjoy giving you a instant marking for a kill that wasnt even clearly in or out. Redzones in this map, oh no redzones here! So lets use that oppurtunity in your teams favour. Oh wait yesterday it was fine and now iam getting instant warned, putspec, or my favourite: the branding as a marked one!. Some even enjoy to instantly react when its involving his/her team, and act really slow or not all when its involving someone else. Make it clear and just let every admin be on one line in this. This will prevent frustration with confused players and will also inprove the respect for admins! and who doesnt want respect. Not talking about flexing you muscles and stopping arguments with (not actually said literally) i got a higher lvl then you so shut up. But getting respect by the way you treat everybody the same and inforce the rules in a clear way you cant argue about them.

Oh and this is the part that is a presonal favourite, having nonstop campers in redzone or people that shoot and then run back into it. You acting on it with a return fire is not allowed and could result in some kind of penalty. This is so annoying because some spawns are just so good placed its a big advantage you cant pass them. Never saw a spawncampers kicked because of this but dont ever never try to retun fire or your fucked.

Dont get me wrong, not trying to say all your admins decisions are bad, overall there more good then bad. Just the not knowing how you gonna act that day sucks.

This topic has a beautifull connection with my other post, were i had my troubles with Rios and Franz.

Still waiting for franz his explanation of his admin abuse, gues hes figuring out how he is gonna talk his way out of this one.
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 22 Jan 2014 13:36 #48533

Reji #1 wrote:

This topic has a beautifull connection with my other post, were i had my troubles with Rios and Franz.

Still waiting for franz his explanation of his admin abuse, gues hes figuring out how he is gonna talk his way out of this one.

try german or russian, i bet he ll answer. he just doesn t speak english very well.
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 22 Jan 2014 14:43 #48534

Shouldnt admins on a server were the majority speaks english, uhm speak english?

Did my best to use the German knowledge thats present in Reji, and some help from google translate for the rest :D
Hope Franz would like to make a effort in explaining now!
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 22 Jan 2014 17:11 #48536

NO RED ZONE MAPS
iff anyone (Allies or Axis) cant leave their Spawnarea cuz off massive SK with HW, i think its ok to forbid SK for that situation.
Cuz Fun is not for attackers only, give a lill fun to defender and let them out off Spawn.
In that case i only punish the Panzerfaust, no nade no thompson or rifle!
i can understand that Veive is frustrated about: "And its a bit frustrating that the rules in -no red zones maps- are changing with every mod/admin "
But its not that difficult to c by urself iff SK gets out off control and in that case be carefull, a Admin could stop SK.
Also iff u just cross Spawn and kill some, i wouldnt kick or sth, but camping at Spawn with HW....

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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 22 Jan 2014 17:22 #48537

Agreed with your thoughts Bong. Could you plz inform Rios about this 2?
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 22 Jan 2014 18:38 #48538

With all due respect to admins - it's owner's call how you will deal in situations with/without red zones. But most important thing is that all of you will do the same. So you will sit, discuss and find a reasonable solution that every single person in administration will follow. Think about that like making "law statements" for your "ET country". You making a law, all together, and all of you enforce the law in a same manner. Then will be absolutely no difference.
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 22 Jan 2014 21:30 #48541

kicked him again for same thing today, so all of u who talked about or sth like that:
"What i really hate here is the "moderator has the right to overrule" - it just makes the rules much unclear and pisses of lot of ppl here.
And its a bit frustrating that the rules in -no red zones maps- are changing with every mod/admin , day and their mood ......"
stop with this excuse pls
same Mod, same situation, rule was cleared, same map, etc.

for some guys its just not for intrest and they use it as an excuse to keep SK with HW, today also Mortar, Airstrike/Arty shots directly into Axis Spawn
(here: subway, allies had Flag)
and so its no need to explain anymore why i kicked him or why i didn´t allowed to say this decision is sensless.

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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 22 Jan 2014 23:07 #48543

Oh, you so fair...
Allies got raped whole map, also in spawn with all kind of weapons. Thats ok....
When axis put arty on our spawn its ok too ....

But when i shoot 1 pf at the end in spawn, when i was running through to the truck i am the bad guy...
And i didnt saw, that you have punished some1 from axis or even up the teams during the map.

So next time i can use the arty, or i can whore with RN,nade , and it will be ok????

You dont need any other comments ...
!Bow ubergod Bong

As i said before there should be same rules for all maps, all ppl.

Not depending which mod/admin is playing atm in which team, and making rules just for himself.
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 23 Jan 2014 00:22 #48546

I really decided to stay out of treads like this forever, but i like to give my 10 cents.

This is treads like this there makes its undermining moderators free help to server so its just a pain.

if they are not helped more, both from players and from admins it will end up with arguments for every time a player of any reason are muted or kicked or what ever bullshit there is coming out.

You guys will end up with moderators there only dear to do a !spec999
Also insults and jibes are accepted both here and on server, its just bad

Of course a player shall have the right to complain if they badly treated many times or if a mod goes insane, but in cases like this you are undermining the mods, especial when there is no help from top.

Instead of bulling the people there try to do a job, turn it around and help the guys there try make it fair and fun for all. They are only people and they do make mistakes, they maybe also have a bad day at the office at work, they are humans.

(this have btw nothing to do with the reason why i resigned as mod, if any one have that idea)
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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 23 Jan 2014 07:20 #48547

omg i forgot the other point: "they did also"

SUBWAY !!! ARTY on Allies Spawn ???
u mean maybe exit and thats a big diff.
Iff u would Panzer the exit no1 would say sth.
btw do u really compare Arty at Flag (similar to Caen), able to capture, with annother Spawnpoint for Allies inside, with what u did ??

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Kicked for bad behavior by Bong 23 Jan 2014 09:43 #48548

We're going off topic, but if moderators don't mind of this, I will also continue to write here...
Amadeus_Denmark wrote:
Instead of bulling the people there try to do a job, turn it around and help the guys there try make it fair and fun for all. They are only people and they do make mistakes, they maybe also have a bad day at the office at work, they are humans.
Aha, that's two very valid point I forgot to mention
1. Try to do this job for free! It's hard, it's pain in the ass sometimes, and it takes you more time to set things right instead to just sit and play. There always will be some whining players, for various reasons. I was "encouraging" them all the time to stop whining, run their own server, and find people who will do this for free. It's effective for keeping their mouth shut. But again, most important is to all administrators do the same thing. Thus, you must communicate and decide together (with owner's bless, of course) what to do in that situations...
2. If there is only one spawn exit for either side (what was the noob map maker thinking about?), other side should fall back to allow enemies to play. It's a game, allow all of us to try to play - don't be greedy.

As for flags and other similar spawns, they're non contested, so any weapon is allowed (IMHO).
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