Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
post here ur Feedback, Applause and Critique

TOPIC: Why was Djusi banned today ?

Why was Djusi banned today ? 11 Aug 2014 19:59 #49504

Die Situation:

Heute gegen 18.30 Uhr auf KW 1 gespielt.. wir hatten ein Fireteam (Amadeus, ANO, Djusi, BigBro, Jack) nud gleichzeitig waren wir auch alle im TS. Djusi hatte bei haunted mansion das Obj und wurde vom selbigen fireteam eskortiert.
Um das Obj nicht zu riskieren, baten wir ihn, hinter uns zu bleiben, damit wir erst einmal alles sichern können. Also wartete er. Kurz darauf wurde er plötzlich von Franz gebannt.


Das Problem:

Sachlich betrachtet, besteht das Problem darin, dass Franz von unserem Fireteam nichts wissen konnte.. und "aus seiner Sicht" er leidgich einen Spieler mit Obj sah, der nicht Richtung delivering point gelaufen ist.. sondern stehen blieb. Sicher etwas ärgerlich und unverständlich (aus seiner Sicht).

Mein Problem:

Nachdem Djusi plötzlich aus dem Spiel war, aber ebenso keine Ahnung hatte was denn da passiert ist.. bat er uns im TS um Aufklärung.
Also fragte ich Franz per pm warum er Djusi gebannt hat..

Die Antwort:
"Er hatte das Obj und wusste nicht wohin damit.. obwohl wir ihm alle (wirklich ALLE ? ) zeigten was zu tun ist.. er blieb stehen"

Auf die weitere Frage, ob das ein ban rechtfertigt, ist er leider nicht eingegangen mit den Worten..
"Ich bin dir zu keiner Rechenschaft verpflichtet"

Dem kann ich jedoch nur bedingt zustimmen. Wir sind hier eine community.. es gibt klare Regeln, die aufgestellt worden sind und an die wir uns alle halten müssen und wollen.

Wenn wir etwas nicht verstehen, sollten wir dies bei den Admins hinterfragen dürfen..
Und genau das möchte ich gerne tun:

Ist das passive Spielen also Grund genug um gebannt zu werden ?

Im Grunde ist das eine rhetorische Frage, denn laut Franz ist es ja (s)ein Grund..


--> Wer entscheidet, was passiv ist und zum ban führt und was nicht?

--> Wie aktiv müssen wir demnach "mindestens" spielen, um nicht gebant zu werden ?


Gruß ANO
  • ANO
  • ANO's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Gold Boarder
  • Posts: 163
  • Thank you received: 54
  • Karma: 4
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 11 Aug 2014 20:24 #49505

That's what you get for AoS always teaming up on TS.
Pity the ban has already been lifted.
  • tanja
  • tanja's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Expert Boarder
  • Posts: 103
  • Thank you received: 46
  • Karma: -2
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 11 Aug 2014 20:42 #49506

@Tanja: I dont understand, what this should have to do with AOS..

Please try to solve your frustrations somewhere else.. We are not your therapists..
This topic has nothing to do with you.. or AOS..

You are very welcome, if you can tell us sth productive.
But i think, only persons who can give useful informations, are the Admins.
  • ANO
  • ANO's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Gold Boarder
  • Posts: 163
  • Thank you received: 54
  • Karma: 4
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 11 Aug 2014 20:58 #49507

maybe admins can be on ts sometimes,that could be very usefull
  • djurica
  • djurica's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Posts: 8
  • Karma: -2
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 11 Aug 2014 21:00 #49508

Because you guys are in AoS and it's your clan that always get on one team, so they can use TS to their advantage. This time it went wrong though because your boy Djusi rather listened to his AoS buddies, ignoring other team players completely, which obviously led to misunderstanding.
  • tanja
  • tanja's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Expert Boarder
  • Posts: 103
  • Thank you received: 46
  • Karma: -2
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 12 Aug 2014 13:07 #49511

Hallo,

Punkt 1

Djusi wurde nicht gebannt, sondern von mir für 5 Minuten gekickt.

Punkt 2

Der Kick war falsch.

Punkt 3

ANOs Fragen

"--> Wer entscheidet, was passiv ist und zum ban führt und was nicht?

--> Wie aktiv müssen wir demnach "mindestens" spielen, um nicht gebant zu werden ?"

Eine Antwort darauf kann generell nicht gegeben werden, sondern die Entscheidungen erfolgen situationsbedingt.

Punkt 4

Weitere Entscheidungen behalte ich mir vor.
  • FranzDDR
  • FranzDDR's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Moderator
  • Posts: 150
  • Thank you received: 12
  • Karma: 2
The topic has been locked.

why... 12 Aug 2014 15:57 #49512

..
  • ANO
  • ANO's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Gold Boarder
  • Posts: 163
  • Thank you received: 54
  • Karma: 4
Last Edit: 12 Aug 2014 18:10 by ANO. Reason: double posted
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 12 Aug 2014 16:39 #49515

@Franz: Vielen Dank, dass du dazu Stellung genommen hast.

Zu Punkt 1)

Einverstanden, dann also Kick (Ich hatte die Info, dass es ein temp ban war)

Zu Punkt 2)

Das ist ja eine "passive" Entschudigung (---> Kick?) :)
Vielen Dank, dass du deine Fehlentscheidung einräumst. Sei dir ebenfalls wie uns allen erlaubt und verziehen!

Meine Fragen:
Diese erübrigen sich natürlich, durch Punkt 2, der ja nun geklärt ist.

Punkt 4:

Welche weiteren Entscheidungen und worüber ?


@Tanja:

Once again..
This topic has absolutely nothing to do with AOS.. and the only thing what is obvious here is, that you dont like the whole AOS Clan. It´s your opininion. I respect, and can live with it.

But i got your point and want to give a feedback on a factually way.

"Because you guys are in AoS and it's your clan that always get on one team"

--> Thats not right.. !

I guess it is just your perception.
You can see very often, that the number of AOS players are about 25% - 35% on the server.
If there is a balance of 10 vs 10 in game. So you can see about 6 - 7 AOS players.. AND you almost NEVER see, that all are in one team. We often make jokes on TS about this, cause we cant tell the fireteam where to go for ex. because other mates from other team are also in TS.
Everytime someone join TS.. he asks, which team needs a hand.. before he joins the game.
-->(You´re welcome to join us in TS to make your own experience)


"..., so they can use TS to their advantage."

Ähm.. yes, that´s right. We really use TS for 2 reasons..
1- We try to keep in touch our friendships there.. and also for having a bit fun
2- TS can also be used for talking about strategies.. it makes able to play better in team.
(We have a lot of channels there, if you dont want to join the room where we are)
btw.. there are a lot of other guys too (BONG.. KIMI.. NASTY.. OMFG.. LUKE.. LITCHEE.. DARKENEMY.. LILI.. etc)

"..because your boy Djusi rather listened to his AoS buddies, ignoring other team players completely.."

You cant be serious with that..

In reverse of your argumentation, you want him to listen and follow you or others.. but not his team, he is in fireteam with and also TS on same time ?
So its OK for you when he listen to you.. and nobody else ?

And i am really very interested about, HOW HE SHOULD LISTEN to you or others ? Did you teembleed him, or maybe built an arrow sign with medipacks or ammos for showing him the direction?
IMO its not an option to write in chat under so many spams. Nobody in fight (can) reead any messages. And if you do it, you lose more time, than he was standing passivly for a few seconds..

AOS players are very nice teamplayers and we dont ignore other players. I feel very sad about it, that you have a such negative feeling about the whole clan.

I am always happy when i see good players like you on KW.. and i also have no problems with you.

In case of any critiques about any players or a whole Clan you might have, i recommend you to write your problem directly to the person, or to the clan leader, or also to me if you want. May be you have got a list, what is wrong for you. Just write me and i will try to communicate and solve it in our Clan. I would be thankful for a feedback from a 3 rd person who see some things different than we do.

So we can solve the problems, without spamming or changing topics on forum.

Pls let us dont forget one thing. AOS is a part of Kernwaffe. AOS is not a small clan. If there is a problem, lets try to solve the problem together first.. Its the wrong way, try to denounce a whole clan which is an important part of Kernwaffe.

Now i gave you an option:

If you are looking for solutions, let´s do it by the way i suggested.
If not, i have to realize that your intention is not about to solve things....

Hugs ANO
  • ANO
  • ANO's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Gold Boarder
  • Posts: 163
  • Thank you received: 54
  • Karma: 4
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 12 Aug 2014 21:36 #49516

My two cents here:

- The AoS members are not always teaming up in one team. Just by the fact that they are so may playing at the same time, it is impossible to get all in the same team. Plain math here.

- The complains about using TeamSpeak. We actively advertise TS to give a better playing experience and AoS are using it in the way it was meant for. In fact, like ANO already pointed out, the channel is open for everybody and you can find many people hanging out and chatting about things totally unrelated to the game.
  • ghosthunter
  • ghosthunter's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Moderator
  • Whatever!
  • Posts: 308
  • Thank you received: 16
  • Karma: -43
Process of trial and error... I guess.
The topic has been locked.
The following user(s) said Thank You: ANO, Citrus#

Why was Djusi banned today ? 12 Aug 2014 21:59 #49517

I don't mind u guys using ts, it's more usefull with less people. Aos is one of sponsored tags in kw, I don't mind that either. What bothers me is amadeus criteria for recruting or should I say no criteria at all. I say this cause i know why djusi started to play in kw, he was caught with wallhack in other server and that's pretty , pretty, pretty bad.
But well, not really important for this topic
  • panzerballet
  • panzerballet's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Gold Boarder
  • Posts: 238
  • Thank you received: 83
  • Karma: 0
The topic has been locked.
The following user(s) said Thank You: tanja

Why was Djusi banned today ? 12 Aug 2014 22:08 #49518

I believe that Djusi is known player in KW and I believe knows the maps well (Splatterladder says that he has played map Haunted Mansion final* 16.1 hrs and total of 55 times).

I would just like to know, where in the rules is stated how fast a player must deliver the objective? Usually it is not the smartest way to rush in as soon as you can. Do I get kicked (for example) in goldrush when I deliver the objetive in longer route? Or in the warbell map? I dont understand at all how you can kick for that. There is no excuse for that and Im not gonna give it a bad name.

I'm not here to make bigger fuss, but I would really like to understand what problem does Tanja have with us. Is it personal with someone, or have we somehow done you any injustice?

I agree with both ghosthunter cents and Im not gonna repeat them.


I hope this mess will get fixed soon, "naughty ones gets spanked" and live in KW will go on in peace and hapiness.
  • Citrus#
  • Citrus#'s Avatar
  • Offline
  • Expert Boarder
  • Posts: 113
  • Thank you received: 47
  • Karma: -26
_______________________________

_/﹋_
(҂`_´)
<,︻╦╤─ ҉ - -
_/﹋_

Friend of Kernwaffe
The topic has been locked.
The following user(s) said Thank You: ANO

Why was Djusi banned today ? 13 Aug 2014 01:24 #49519

ANO wrote:
Mein Problem:

Nachdem Djusi plötzlich aus dem Spiel war, aber ebenso keine Ahnung hatte was denn da passiert ist.. bat er uns im TS um Aufklärung.
Also fragte ich Franz per pm warum er Djusi gebannt hat..

Die Antwort:
"Er hatte das Obj und wusste nicht wohin damit.. obwohl wir ihm alle (wirklich ALLE ? ) zeigten was zu tun ist.. er blieb stehen"

Auf die weitere Frage, ob das ein ban rechtfertigt, ist er leider nicht eingegangen mit den Worten..
"Ich bin dir zu keiner Rechenschaft verpflichtet"


How ironic. I seem to recall getting put spec and warned by Amadeus for supposedly being afk. When I questioned his decision, explaining I couldn't possibly be afk (=away from keyboard) when typing, he kicked me. :P


In his defense though, there are a LOT of people playing every day, that don't have the decency to go spec whenever they're not playing. It can take some time for autospec to kick in. So I can understand admins getting upset over this. Especially if this person has the objective, but seems to be afk or unresponsive. Admins are actually not here to keep putting certain players spec all the time, we've got better things to do.


I have thought to myself many times: once I'm level 15, the next time someone is afk without going spec, I'm no longer gonna put them spec, but it's going to be an instant kick or speclock. Not saying it's right what Franz did, but I can understand his frustration. I probably would have killed Djusi for the obj, if I didn't feel like he was playing or if I felt he was just fooling around. Not very nice either, but effective enough. :lol:


Btw, just to make clear: I don't recall Djusi being one of those players who just gets up and leave in the middle of the game. But then again, I'm not the most patient player either. :evil:
  • Nemesis
  • Nemesis's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 499
  • Thank you received: 190
  • Karma: 27
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 13 Aug 2014 02:07 #49521

Its not an AoS Topic

just a misunderstanding imo
djusi waited for Teammates on TS, but maybe it wasnt necessary, cuz there were other Teammates who could escort him (? wasnt there).

Franz agree kick was an fault !facepalm Franz

believe me, iff u make a mistake as Admin it is very hard to handle this, u think days about that, compunction etc.

so maybe we can forget it now, forgive him and go on playing

mfg Bong
  • Bong
  • Bong's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Moderator
  • Posts: 184
  • Thank you received: 43
  • Karma: -6
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 13 Aug 2014 10:38 #49522

panzerballet wrote:
What bothers me is amadeus criteria for recruting or should I say no criteria at all.

That's what I thought the other day, if you can start up ET you can pretty much join already. :lol:
  • tanja
  • tanja's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Expert Boarder
  • Posts: 103
  • Thank you received: 46
  • Karma: -2
The topic has been locked.

Why was Djusi banned today ? 13 Aug 2014 14:13 #49528

Dear boys and girls..

I opened a thread about DJUSI and Franz.

Franz took time and answered my questions..
What happened on server was not nice, but it can happen.. Franz is also not a robot..

So all was/is ok again with that!

Thank you again Franz.


@ Dear AOS haters:

NEMESIS:

what has your experience with Amadeus, has to do with the topic ??

--> NOTHING !!
You write down your experience with him with the intention to show us, that it was not OK what Amadeus did with you.
And what now ?
Is this topic about him ? Did he write anything in this thread ?

TANJA:

You spammed the topic with so much bullshit.. all the arguments you gave here, were not right and untrue, as we all could see..

You even couldnt answer to 1 point, which was written down especially against your arguments.
No apologize.. or any feedback..

I gave you a great option to solve your problems with AOS or some guys from the clan.. but you dont use it..

So it´s very clear, that you 2 dont want to solve problems.. you want to "create" Problems..
Well..actually in my mind, YOU ARE THE PROBLEMS !

Why dont you guys open an own thread, instead of waiting for a chance, that you can denounce others, after somebody else is opening any thread ?

Plesae respect other guys, who want to solve their problems here on forum, what has nothing to do with you.
You are not the middle of the earth.


Didnt see guys like you with so much hate inside against other guys on kernwaffe during the last 10 years.
Hope you can find your middle again :)
  • ANO
  • ANO's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Gold Boarder
  • Posts: 163
  • Thank you received: 54
  • Karma: 4
The topic has been locked.
The following user(s) said Thank You: lucky luke, Citrus#, djurica

Why was Djusi banned today ? 13 Aug 2014 16:04 #49529

Yes, this is getting out of hands and off topic, closed.
  • lucky luke
  • lucky luke's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Administrator
  • And Yet It Moves
  • Posts: 774
  • Thank you received: 176
  • Karma: -13
Edit your signature in
Profil > Profilinfos
last point: Signature
The topic has been locked.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Citrus#
Time to create page: 0.090 seconds

© Kernwaffe.de - Enemy Territory Servers | Design by: LernVid.com